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May 14, 2009

****God Within and Outside of Time****

Hi Friends and Foes,

A while ago someone in a newsgroup called people close-minded for their claim that God created time and existed outside of space and time and had seen everything. Actually this was what I had thought, and what I still believe. I have also always thought that God exists outside of space and time, and that He knows everything, future events inclusively. This is not predestination, but God's knowledge about everything. God is all-knowing and He made the time when He created our universe.

If you are looking for a "theory of time" in the Bible, you should start with Genesis (which means "beginning" in Hebrew) and end with Revelation, which is the last book.


There was a *beginning*:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1 KJV)


In the run of creation God also made the stars, the sun, the moon... they are responsible for what we feel as "time". We know today that time is relative to the movement. A *day*, for example, is a measure for time. So at the end of the first day time was already there, right "from
the beginning".


And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Genesis 1:5 KJV)


Later He did the fine adjustment, so to say...


And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. (Genesis 1:14-19 KJV)


So that was on the fourth day.

You can say there is no "outside" time for us, but God is surely not bound in time or space. You can say that God is - or can be - inside of time, too, but He is not bound to it, or He would not be God Almighty if it could. It is in the nature of God that time is in His hands, not the other way round.


I understand time to be the capability to measure a certain sum of chronological events. A day, for example, is a unit of time which is defined as the run of events that take place within one rotation of the earth around itself. We have divided this into 24 equivalent portions, called hours. One hour has 60 minutes, and a minute has 60 seconds. If you have a watch you can see the time pass by there. Our time was created when the earth turned around itself for the first time.
Scientists assume that animals have an ontological feeling, and no idea of time, with the exception of their instincts for when to build nests, or when to start flying to warmer areas.

Time, as it seems, is something objective and valid for everyone, for the whole nature, but only people can recognise it as time. Time is a concept that exists for man by experience only. It is nothing objective and bound to the number of events happening.

Time is both, reality, because the earth is rotating around the sun and also around itself, and it is illusionary as well, because there is no real division into hours and the like. It is RELATIVE to speed according to Einstein, for example.

God is above time, the Master of time, the Creator of time, because he created all things:

Revelation 4:11 KJV Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

All the limits people add to Him only show the limits of our human brains. I am not so much interested in "theories of time" but more in the nature of God. Time is not and never above God. God is always and ever above time. Yes, there is no way around that: God is omniscient. He can see the results of everything whenever He pleases. Of course people might split hairs if God can "see" all things, or if he "knows" all things. It does not matter much, because we do not know about how He manages to be "omniscient" anyway.

God is everywhere and at the same time, and "everywhere" also means outside of time....

Time began, and it is a contrast to eternity. We do not know anything about eternity, because it is the place outside our experience. This kind of hair splitting does not help much, and we are warned: "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8 KJV) I am not keen on "Christian theology". I am keen on God, and I cannot really imagine how great He is - but one thing is sure, He is greater than anyone of us could ever imagine!

I do not think it is up to us to answer questions that ask for God's ways how to be omniscient or almighty. He is, and that is what it is important. We cannot know, and if we knew, we could not even put it into words. I am always sceptical if someone comes along and wants to tell me he knows more than others, but what he knows cannot be found in God's Word, or God even warns us of that. I want to study the Bible, God's Word. Call it theology, and I am interested in that.

God's Word can be understood by everybody. People do not need theories about it. Only God's Word is the truth, and all the rest is false teaching, no matter if people call it "theology" or not.

Things that go far beyond our range of experience and cannot be answered by us humans. All we have there are assumptions, and they do not really help and might even lead away from the truth. When we speak of time, we generally speak of the time in our universe, and God created that according to Genesis by making the sun, the moon, the stars:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. (Genesis 1:14-19 KJV)

That was the fine adjustment, so to say.

If I want to know about God and time, I go with the Scriptures, and they are proof enough for me. And we get to know there that time started, and also that it will end in the future...

Revelation 10:5-6 KJV And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, (6) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, *that there should be time no longer*.


There will not be any time in "eternity", and we will leave this world bound to time and enter into the Realm of God where time does not mean anything.

I have often seen people who were misguided by philosophy. They believe in things that Scripture dos not say. I have to and will reject these things. I am interested in what the Bibles says, and not in the theories of the world. They are what they are: THEORIES, but God is REALITY.

And God IS. He is outside of time, because He is eternal and true. He will not change His nature. We can rely on Him. He exists Within and outside time. When asked, He told Moses:

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? (14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (Exodus 3:13-14 KJV)

The truth is the Scripture, and we all should go by those standards. They are God's, and I am trying to come up to them, as much as any other one who calls himself a Christian should. Those standards are plain and simple, and in God's Word, not in our fantasy or in theories. Some people say they can answer more questions about the nature of God than the Bible would answer, and I am sure the devil can, too. As long as God does not inform me differently, I will go by His Word only, and not by what people in a so-called Christian newsgroup or elsewhere want to force on me.

I have read dozens of books about time BEFORE I became a believer. I do not need those books anymore, and they lead Christians to nowhere.

Before I go and buy another book about the philosophy of time, I prefer to give that money to the poor, or buy another Bible and give it away to someone who might want to read it.

God Bless You.

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